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Francis Demeules · Jul 08, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

As a Mesmer, I alway change my build to fit for the mission. A well prepared mesmer can beat the Missions easely. No wonder why my friend said when he did Raisu Palace (with his mesmer), he said "Boring Palace".... well, same for me

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After all mesmer is very usefull in pvp but not so much in pve to me that really says something about the mob layouts no?

If Avarre saw that....

No professions is more usefull than other profession, no matter what if its PvP or PvE. Its the player's skill I count, not the profession.

If I have the choice between a warrior who plays very badly and don't listen or a mesmer he know what he must doing in the mission, I take the mesmer.

Another thing, I vote for the Henchies too for not rage-quit for nothing

dreamhunk · Jul 08, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

As a rpg player cookie cuter builds does hurt rpg! RPG player want to play their favrite class! when you force a class out then rpg players get pissed. Un like pvp players who will reroll their charactors. Rpg players will must likely quite the game.

Anet should really start looking into skills and cookie cuter builds because it does effect the game. In rpg all classies should be in important!

Helll is for Heroes · Jul 08, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

they should make a game like:

Guild Wars: Half-Life

THAT would give GW a proper storyline and would make you think outside the box every single time

Francis Demeules · Jul 08, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

they should make a game like:

Guild Wars: Half-Life

THAT would give GW a proper storyline and would make you think outside the box every single time

In First Person Shooter

Ira Blinks · Jul 08, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

If I have the choice between a warrior who plays very badly and don't listen or a mesmer he know what he must doing in the mission, I take the mesmer.

If I had a choice between decent warrior and decent mesmer I would pick that warrior, and so would you. Lets not compare apples to oranges, because it proves nothing.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

My best example of this is the Mursaat healer that sometimes pops up in Thunderhead Keep. He has to have at least 20 Healing Prayers and Aura of Faith, so it takes about 20 minutes for a "cookie-cutter" group to take him down. With a domination Mesmer... not so much. Backfire is FTW.

Francis Demeules · Jul 08, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Backfire and Diversion.... mostly Diversion to kill Demetrio the Enduring.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Backfire and Diversion.... mostly Diversion to kill Demetrio the Enduring.

Point is that he is almost impossible to take down without some caster hate, and caster hate is definitely NOT a cookie-cutter build element.

Francis Demeules · Jul 08, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

Point is that he is almost impossible to take down without some caster hate, and caster hate is definitely NOT a cookie-cutter build element.

But at least you have a mesmer in your team instead the " Quadra Godly profession team" (Warrior, Monk, Ele as Nuker and Necro as MM or SS)

Dont take to seriously on the "Quadra Godly Profession Team". Its the GW players mind in PvE.

Ira Blinks · Jul 08, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

Point is that he is almost impossible to take down without some caster hate, and caster hate is definitely NOT a cookie-cutter build element.

That’s because outside of the lvl28 double attribute and hundreds AL bosses, caster hate easily substituted by pure damage. This isn’t a problem with cookie-cuter builds, this is a general flaw in game mechanics.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

That’s because outside of the lvl28 double attribute and hundreds AL bosses, caster hate easily substituted by pure damage. This isn’t a problem with cookie-cuter builds, this is a general flaw in game mechanics.

Yes, but I think they should require caster hate in the rest of the game, not just in a few sparse boss fights. Mesmers have to be the most underappreciated class in PvE.

Ira Blinks · Jul 08, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

Yes, but I think they should require caster hate in the rest of the game, not just in a few sparse boss fights.

Yes, but untill then I still will pick warrior over mesmer.

inscribed · Jul 08, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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How about you let people play whatever build they like to play. And stick to your own business.. it doesn't concern you.

I don't even see why you bring this up. Nothing can ACTUALLY be done about what YOU think is a problem. Just another negative thread, I suppose.

Its all good and well to want to try a new build, but good luck trying to get into a pickup group with it. When I put together a team, your build is my business. I'm looking for people to fill specific roles, and I look for the people who can fill those roles the best. That means a couple monks for healing, a couple warriors for tanking/physical damage, and some mix of rangers/nukers/mm/etc. It works efficiently and requires very little communication.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Yes, but untill then I still will pick warrior over mesmer.

I will ALWAYS take a Mesmer in a mission if I see one looking for a group. Having one (not more than one) always seems to help.

duanstar · Jul 08, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

I usually try to avoid mesmers, not because they're not powerful or not useful, but because most of the time, they're just really bad. I still get the Leeryoing IW mesmer occasionally, or the one who decides that Chaos Storm is a l33t! skill. I've found that when you ask for a nuker or a barrager, they usually know what they're doing because the build is commonly learned and easy to play. If you ask a mesmer what type of build he is and he replies with "domination", he could be an e-surger or a wastrel's worry spammer.

With mesmers, you never know how well the mesmer will be, and most times, he not playing a build that's well tailored to the mission at all.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by duanstar

I usually try to avoid mesmers, not because they're not powerful or not useful, but because most of the time, they're just really bad. I still get the Leeryoing IW mesmer occasionally, or the one who decides that Chaos Storm is a l33t! skill. I've found that when you ask for a nuker or a barrager, they usually know what they're doing because the build is commonly learned and easy to play. If you ask a mesmer what type of build he is and he replies with "domination", he could be an e-surger or a wastrel's worry spammer.

With mesmers, you never know how well the mesmer will be, and most times, he not playing a build that's well tailored to the mission at all.

I should mention that I always ask for builds before deciding if a member is staying in the party. IW or CS are pretty much an instant kick, just like the idiot that won't respond to the question. Sure a bad mesmer is just as ineffective as any other class played poorly. Assuming a certain amount of skill though, I welcome a good Mesmer to my party.

Francis Demeules · Jul 08, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Useless to tell Nuker and Barrager against Shiro the Weak....

And these mesmers wont get far either for those who dont play correctly as a mesmer. I mean, I play as a mesmer but I'm not always as a Anti-Caster. I mostly play an anti-physical attacker. In missions, I play on what the mission is based. For an example, Signet of Midnight against Zhu Hanuku because it can do like 150 dmg normal attack without Jade Fury (50 knock down and 150 by Jade stone in face from JF)

Sanji · Jul 08, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

In occurs to me that even if they made new missions that require players to "think outside the box" or whatever the heck, that's not going to last. It'd only be a matter of time before the strategies on what builds you should bring pop up.

Creativity is only going to last until people figure out what builds are most efficient in doing what they need to do. Whether it's new missions, farming spots, or PvP rebalances. I mean, we don't dig with a spoon or eat ice cream with a shovel for a reason.

GloryFox · Jul 08, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I find it fun sometimes to run a Blood Necro with high Degen skills. Especialy when people get mad becasuse they think Im a Minion Master. I've even had people leave once they find out; only to finnish a mission without them.

Try new things be original...

0mar · Jul 08, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

The problem is that PvE is beatable by pretty much using Ctrl-Spacebar. It's too easy to warrant thinking.